Why is Sagebrush so fond of this fake quote attributed to qJoseph Goebbels?

Sagebrush's modus operandi is to discredit others, in doing this he resort to ridicule, straw men, distortion, fabrication and lying. Even though Sagebrush is by far the worst offender, it would be an over-generalization to suggest that all deniers lie.

In order to find out why Hitler (who is actually closer to the "quote") hated the Jews you have to go back into history [1,2,3]. What is often overlooked is that Hitler used the sentiment of hate towards all minorities (Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, foreigners, communist, etc) [4] in order to unite people who were under extreme hardship due to the depression. Sadly history has a tendency to repeat itself, the only difference in then U.S. today is that the Jews are replaced by Muslims.

Ironically, agenda 21 warns against having a common enemy, even though Sagebrush and other conspiracy theorist claims the opposite. And for those who do pay attention they have noticed that Sagebrush is trying to set up a common enemy, in this forum, scientist, politicians and wealthy people, accusing them of lying and getting rich.

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@ Sagebrush "Prove that he didn't say it!" You can not prove that someone did not say something, you are the one who claimed Goebbels said it, therefore it is up you to prove that he did. Hitler was baptized a Catholic but was probably an atheist. [5] And what is up with your hatred towards Catholics, are you a KKK [6] member or sympathizer?

@ Raisin Caine, the quote is false (as are many of Sagebrush's quotes) although you are correct that lying and propaganda are employed by all sides during WW2. Jews were not liked much by the US, Canada and Cuba either at the time. [7] Something we do not learn in history class.

Interesting enough, when Goebbels made a quote similar to this quote, he was referencing the English lying.

But none of this makes any difference to me. The fact is that the quote is true and was used.

The Nazis continually repeated the mantra of jewish inferiority. Many in Germany began to believe it. So whether or not you accept the quote as authentic, do you really want to dispute that the Nazis used this method?

In fact, I have to wonder why you are even disputing this. You seem to consistently claim that the deniers are being funded by oil to perpetuate the lie of global warming denial. That is what you are saying, is it not???

So do you really want to claim the repetitive lying does not lead to belief???

FSM,

I am well aware of what the popular opinion of the jews and other minorities have been in the US and most locations. Of course, not many talked about extermination.

Nonetheless, you are arguing about whether the quote is correctly attributed, when you seem to beleive that the quote is indeed correct and how the Nazi party operated.

So if I use the quote and attribute it to Raisin Shifu, my raisin kung fu master, who I once heard say this quote,... , there would be no argument???

Jim Z,

Yeah, I notice some anti-theists constantly engage in this behavior. What they are unaware of is history. This same technique was previously used by the protestants to bash the catholics. It had no root in reality. Fact is that while Hitler misused religious texts to justify his actions, he also created a version of the Lord's prayer, where he bascially replaced the lord for himself. Not exactly the actions of a devout Christian. Further, his anti-religious views have also been documented. Not to mention his attack of the Catholic Church.

I think he says it to suggest that if you tell a lie enough times, people will start to believe it regardless who said it first.

Actually to suggest Hitler is a Catholic is missing some very important information about Hitler and it seems to be more about slamming Catholics than understanding Hitler IMO. According to many sources, including Goebbels (Google it if you want, Goebbel's Diary), Hitler was anti-religious. Hitler used the church for politics but in his private life was not religious. He loved and read many atheists popular in the day including Marx.

Nobody really knows for sure but I think Hitler was almost certainly an atheist but then again I am convinced that Obama is as well but some politicians like to pretend to be religious because it helps them politically.

Gary quotes one of Hitler's speeches that was obviously political and meant to also demean Christians by their association with Hitler. I wouldn't fret it Gary. Hitler was a statist and a Marxist but he believed nationalism would motivate far better than class but he used both. As someone stated recently, Hitler attacked the rich, particularly Jews, and the modern left simply attacks the rich and are more careful about attacking Jews.

From the Nazi Platform of 1932

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/haken32.htm

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism.

I think Sagebrush's first line in his reply here sums up the irony pretty well.

Compare his

"That quote is too widely publicized to even attempt to dispute this".

with

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"

In Sagebrush's world, Google hits beat historians' research. The falsely attributed quote has been repeated so many times in so many places, people have eventually come to believe it.

It's just another example of the virulent nastiness that subverts dialogue and discourse modeled after our politician's behavior here in the U.S. (and elsewhere) which has paralyzed our countries economically and socially instead of addressing the underlying issues. It's simply putting emotion ahead of reason.

Your own link doesn't show the quote to be false. Indeed it shows both Goebbels and Hitler accusing others of doing the same. Projecting their own thoughts on the matter.

Either way, this is not a question about global warming, unless you are referring to lies about green jobs, lower energy bills, solar and wind can meet our needs, cap and trade or carbon tax will reduce carbon emissions, etc. Perhaps you should ask this in a section about ObamaCare.

Sagebrush - "That quote is too widely publicized to even attempt to dispute this."

Isn't that the same thing as this, "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."?

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Ah! I see that Gringo had already noted the failed logic that Sagebrush is widely known to use.

It's a very well known quote and a widely used method of statecraft, so to call it a lie is, in fact a lie in itself.

It is a good quote. Why does it matter who said it?

It has been said that the works we attribute to Shakespeare were not, in fact, written by him. Does that affect the quality of the work in any way?

I have a feeling most people on both sides realize Sagebrush lies. He has been called out on quite a few actually. And his excuse is pretty much what he posts here "Even if it isn't true I think he would have said it"