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Why do subjective philosophers believe in their closed type "love of wisdom" but find it hard to believe in any knowledge^ within any ?
philosophy or any philosophy Category^ ?
They chase-fame (their-love-of-wisdom) but DO NOT contribute to it...
Do they hate free and open critical philosophy that much, giving
even more blatant "spin" when they murmur that philosophy uses
"THE critical Method" ? (as general SPIN & BLUFF).. ?
Is this why they here CANNOT WRITE ABOUT and give philosophy
knowledge of,
"Environmental Philosophy ?
^ they never quote sources, even modern sources (like Yuval Noah
Harari or Robert Sapolsky both while not being teachers of philosophy
or it's history have MUCH TO SAY ON philosophy) ?
Is this because they are "philosophy spinners" pandering to false
psychology "perspectives" and "views" ; like the well known and
DISCREDITED Sociology philosophers of the last century ?
(Habermas, Husserl and other "passive worms" see critic Camille Paglia)
K, Just for reference "our Question" or-just-mine of How to first distinguish
between (bad inferior) Dawinian Selection but better Intelligent design
we can refer DS (=DarwinSelect) as in a SYNTACTICAL language
whereas the better language of I.D. should be formulated in
a-more-objectively-meaningful SEMANTIC language.
I don't know Exactly what the difference is.. just that these two comparable
languages will be able to do the actual descriptive task of
describing two seemingly DIFFERENT knowledge-finding Categories
1) of biology and 2) of philosophy. Where these ground-breaking
languages both can and will show that biological Selection can
be covered by BOTH languages but that intelligent Design can
only be covered & described in the one semantical language.
Of course we must always ask why?
That will be ascertained better when when they are both described
in their respective languages.
3 Answers
- KindredLv 59 months agoFavorite Answer
The etymology of philosophy—philo (fraternal love)
Soph (wisdom.)
Literally It means the love of wisdom, literally. What I see as wise or love is subjective to my lens.
That being said—objective ideas have consistency in meaning. And I believe it was Yuval Noah Harari who said, “consistency is the playground of dull minds.”
I am cherry picking quotes here because Etymology gets me feisty and to quote Sapolsky, “Testosterone makes people cocky and egocentric and narcissistic.”
Sapolsky might also suggest I’m being cheeky because I believe in grace over karma. It makes me tolerant Of subjectivists and perhaps more prone to crime?
All kidding aside, I agree we need room for new minds—and why shouldn’t a neuroscientists insights, bring as much punch as some Greek philosophers sitting on a hill talking about freedoms that are only For a small population of free men?
Carry on.��
@@@@in lieu of comments—(yeesh YA) Peter, I just wanted to say I literally plucked those quotes off of Goodreads so I couldn’t tell you the context, I literally was just being a little funny and proving your point that they have interesting and important things to say. I found I wanted to read Sapolsky more about forgiveness vs wrath of God and how that affected culture because I needed context.
Objectivity takes discipline, criteria, design. I feel like I have ADD right now—objectivity and focus are needed. We could really use a rubric.
- Anonymous9 months ago
Despite their being philosophers, their reasoning and preferences would actually be better addressed in the Psychology forum. One would have to analyze the psycholgical makeup of each one. It is doubtful that there is a one size fits all explanation.
- peter mLv 69 months ago
Well yes I will try to carry on.
I don't know exactly why Noah Harari said that, if it was a slight against
objective philosophy-or-not ; hard to tell sometimes.
Anyway I am pretty sure that objectivity is the way to go, and at least it
does hold out promise for people to learn-from-their mistakes.. as I and
others were taught and for myself I am confident that virtually to a man
(or woman) No subjective philosopher has been able-to- fathom let alone
try it here.
But to tell you the truth after years of trying virtually alone I am not about
to labour the point.. subjective's can carry on "loving their naive views of
wisdom" as long as they don't get above themselves & think that it all is
true.
For I've made some more of a breakthrough in the stated aim of going
(well) beyond Darwinism and into the better realm of Intelligent design.
Putting philosophy^ on a more critical & rationally environmental
foundation which can capture both the authoritative past ("the Origin of life")
and an emerging (authoritative) future (the aim of life^^).
And this problem puts all others in perspective... for me a resetting of
the turgid and stale philosophy that has not only pervaded the history
of Ideas but also our knowledge gaining system generally.
So to carry on with the idea of Sapolsky quoting Chemistry I'd say too
that any philosopher-worth-his-salt should say that he (Sapolsky)
would be better saying that,
"BEHAVIOURISM makes people cocky and egocentrically narcissistic.."
(and there will be some more of that once I get going with that solution
above. And which of course without Robert S's help nothing like that
could have been achieved so to speak.
For Professor Sapolsky is a brilliantly wonderful teacher, hopefully more
people ESPECIALLY philosophers and willing students can come to
see that ; I mean of course for The OBJECTIVITY because that is what
this is all about as you my friend allude-to, though you might pardon me
when saying that If you knew what-was-as-stake you may well
have-a-go at resetting your (lens) problem where philosophy may
be better focussed on that wisdom-and-beauty (or on wisdom-and-love,)
But definition-ism luckily passed at least one student in the History of
Ideas many years ago and though it could return it for me will never
gain the notoriety that it once had in philosophy. Or so in any other
useful discipline (meant sincerely too!).
Possibly coinciding with "that breakthrough" above my health may be
returning bodily-wise.. so I will be in touch as that continues.
Ps that 1st note ^ refers to Objective philosophy only,
my 2nd ^^ refers to specifically philosophy analysis of such an Aim or
aims. Where I have written extensively about such elsewhere here.
And after some years and years of my objective philosophy and
history-of-Ideas failings see a beautifully prospective I came across
a novel not so much new as a wonderful goldmine of info in
"Conjectures and refutations" concerning Philosophy resetting (&
what does takes me back to a mathematical pictogram I remember
of something similar with wave interactions..). watch this space!
Added thanks for your addition K... unfortunately I jus wrote you a
very long addition -all about "critical rationalism" in philosophy in
respect of your more below.. pressd wrong button & it's lost.
very Sorry (a wasted hour !)
Never mind as long as you continue to SEARCH and to try to
continue to look upon some of the more useless stuff here in yahoo
philosophy as-so-much subjectivity then I don't think that you or
anyone else will go "far wrong" so to speak.
for me I have that Q. where Darwinian Selection is holdin us all
back inc children & so it should be put-to-bed and even sapolsky
should revert back to biological psychology and "behavioural biology"
so to speak. So yes I think I have made enough progress in Intelligent
Design to finish off that Theory (!) (and to replace it with "Intelligent
objective Design" or "Intelligent progressive Design"
{... because THAT's what-it-is so to speak!}
Anyway at this late hour I must make sure I press the blue button
and DEFINITELY Not the WHITE one !
Source(s): authoritative philosophy of "expanding scope" so to speak. (this is all new so do bear-with-me!)