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Hello again, R&S! Young Earth Creationists, did you happen to catch last Fridays issue of Science magazine?

Oh, who are we kidding, of course you didn't.

Before you continue, I have 2 questions: one serious one for Creationists, one more lighthearted one for non-Creationists.

Anyway, an article in the magazine details how a team of scientists provided a calibration for carbon dating accurately to 50,000 years (or about 5-10 times the age the age of the Earth according to many YECs.

The article is fairly hefty, but Science provided a Perspective:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/338/6105/337

Popular Science puplished an article as well, which can be found:

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/how-...

It turns out that the concentration of C14 in the atmosphere varies from year to year, so calculations of the age of a specimen need to be corrected for this yearly variation; uncorrected calculations are not wrong, but they may be in error by hundreds of years. Until now, we have had no detailed record of the C14 concentration beyond the age of the oldest trees. Now, however, a team led by Christopher Bronk Ramsey of the University of Oxford has examined sediments in a Japanese lake and extended carbon dating to approximately 50,000 years. The lake was chosen because the bed of the lake is anoxic and its sediments are thought to have been stable and untouched by ice-age glaciers.

The team also seems to be following up on the research conducted by Hiroyuki Kitagawa in 1998, which found a 40,000 year chronology in varves from Lake Suigetsu, Japan.

https://journals.uair.arizona.edu/index.php/radioc...

So, my question for CREATIONSISTS: Can you explain these findings? Without resorting to religious texts or logical fallacies, preferably?

For NON-CREATIONISTS: How do you think YEC authorities will attempt to spin these results? I'm guessing something along the lines of, "Science admits radiometric dating is wrong".

Waiting in anticipation!

~Sin

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  • 9 years ago
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    Channeling creationist in 3-2-1...

    "Thought to have been stable?" There go you evilutionists and your assumptions again.

    Ow.

    That hurt my brain.

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    @ Boaz - So your answer to this is a lame copypasta? The claims in that are precisely what is answered in the articles.

    I'd wager you didn't read the articles, but no one would take the bet.

  • Anonymous
    4 years ago

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  • ?
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

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    “It now appears that the C14 decay rate in living organisms is about 30 per cent less than its production rate in the upper atmosphere.” William D. Stansfield, Science of Evolution (New York: Macmillan Publishing Co., 1977), p. 83.

    Increasing Amounts of Carbon-14. Radiocarbon dating requires knowing the ratio of carbon-14 to carbon-12 in the atmosphere when the organic matter being dated was part of a living organism. The assumption, which few realize is being made, is that this ratio has always been what it was before the industrial revolution9—about one carbon-14 atom for every trillion carbon-12 atoms. Willard Libby, who

    received a Nobel Prize for developing this technique, conducted tests in 1950 which showed more carbon-14 forming than decaying. Therefore, the amount of carbon-14 and the ratio must be increasing. He ignored his test results, because he believed that the earth must be more than 20,000–30,000 years old, in which case the amount of carbon-14 must have had time to reach equilibrium and be constant.3 In 1977, Melvin Cook did similar, but more precise, tests which showed that the ratio was definitely increasing, even faster than Libby’s test indicated.

    Today, carbon-14 forms in the upper atmosphere at the rate of 21 pounds a year, but in 5,730 years, half of it decays. Therefore, carbon-14 would normally increase from the time of the creation, as shown by the blue line. Before the flood, the blue line levels off as the concentration of carbon-14 in the atmosphere approaches equilibrium—where the amount forming balances the amount decaying. Earth’s lush forests had so much carbon that the equilibrium level was much lower than today. Those forests, ripped up and buried during the flood, became our coal, oil, and methane deposits.

    During the flood, carbon-12, released from the subterranean water chamber, diluted the carbon-14 in the atmosphere and oceans even more. (Carbon-14 could not have formed in this chamber, because it was shielded from the cosmic radiation that produces carbon-14.) If one thought the C-14/C-12 ratio had always been what it is today, one would erroneously conclude that small amounts of carbon-14 in fossils meant much time had passed. Instead, less carbon-14 was in those organisms when they died.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    Thank you for the links... I have them open and will have a good post-debate read for tonight. Seeing how science works makes me all tingly with excitement. It is awesome when one more step of progress is taken because it is another piece of knowledge we have.

    As far as how Creationists will argue against it... they don't understand science and not one of them will be able to get through that article (nor will they try). They will just say it is science "magic" and that these scientists are just saying this as part of the atheist anti-Christianity agenda. Oh, boo-hoo.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    Facts and science will not sway creationists. They have lived with other lies.

    For me, i think this kind of science is cools

    As to how creationists will argue against it,....

    They will bring in some paid for geologist who will claim how these peer reviewed scientists made (huge) errors. Their geologist has to be correct. But when was the last time that geologist published in a respected peer reviewed journal?

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